Решила все же сохранить это письмо той самой фанатки, с которой начался хейт Дженсена в гомофобии. Письмо этой девушки так часто поминают, что пусть останется в архиве, чтобы было чем доказывать, что есть неадекватные фанатки
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stop the hatin, yo
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If you aren’t aware, Clif made a post on his facebook about seeing this.
If him agreeing with this post isn’t conformation enough for you to know that this is me, you’ll just have to live in your doubt. I’ve decided not to let any of my friends (very good friends) get pulled into this just because you don’t want to believe that the girl was me.
First of all, he’s not upset. Clearly, I’m not upset. So if we could all please stop sending hate and threats, I’m sure at least one of us would be happy.
I’ve gotten a lot of multiple questions that are very valid so let me just answer a few:
I didn’t ask Jared about this because there has been no recent subtext to Sam’s sexuality. There’s never really been any situations like that for Sam (and if there were, like with the male crossroads!demons) he didn’t bat an eye to them unlike Dean who has usually made sure to state ‘he doesn’t swing that way’ until more recently.
I started with saying ‘I admire Dean becoming more comfortable with himself’ which is in every way. How long has it been since Dean hasn’t fallen asleep fully dressed? When in past seasons has he just up and cooked some burgers? With Lisa. And as much as he was trying, he never looked completely comfortable (most likely due to the fact that anyone could get to them, unlike the MoL bunker which is quite safe)
I stated I was bisexual, not to say ‘lololol only gay people can tell who gay ppl r’ but to emphasize that I’ve been through a similar journey of self discovery and it looked kind of like what Dean might be going through (complete denial to eh, why do I need to say I don’t like women?)
I never ever went into this wanting Jensen to “confirm” that “Dean is bisexual”. As I’ve said, a friend drafted this question and I’ve been rewording it a little and my end goal was to hear Jensen talk in depth about Dean. I love when actors are so connected to their characters after spending so many years on them and Jensen in particular is very passionate about Dean. As a controversial subject, I thought he might want the opportunity to give us his two cents on the matter in a respectful way in a smaller setting (njcon is the smallest con I’ve attended). I wasn’t fishing for a fight from anyone. I wasn’t looking to “CONFIRM THE DESTIEL”. I didn’t have any sort of shipping agenda. I’ll ship what I want to ship, no matter what. I didn’t know that the question from Misha’s panel would create such an uproar at Jared and Jensen’s panel the next day.
I hadn’t (and still haven’t) heard anything about the banning of sexuality/shipping questions. I personally would like to not have the subject of sexuality as taboo of a subject as it is, especially in a setting where a lot of the audience is LBTQ or a supporter. As I was asking a question about the character I didn’t deem it inappropriate. A lot of people have stated that it was very inappropriate, and I’m sorry if I offended you. I would never ever ask a question about sexuality in a setting I thought would make the actors extremely uncomfortable. No offense to anyone, but Jensen is in his 30’s. He’s been around for a while and while I understand now how stating my own sexuality may have made people uncomfortable, I was asking about Dean’s development relating to sexuality. I want to treat Jensen like an adult. I feel like a lot of this “Family” treats him very carefully. Just compare a panel with Misha as opposed to Jensen. I know Misha really does put himself more out there, but I still believe we should treat the actors as what they are, grown men who have the full right to deny a question if they so desire (a right I feel has been taken away from Misha because he will answer even the most degrading questions). Jensen has the full right to deny any question he doesn’t want to answer. Something he’s done in the past. So it wasn’t your right as a crowd (and even online) to put the blame on me and cut me off. Clif had to step in after the crowd got loud. We really don’t know what Jensen would have said, and we never will.
Yes, I do have another tumblr. I’ve had it for a while now.
No, I will not give any of you the url. I know that there’s a lot of you that want to follow for good reasons, but I didn’t ask this for attention and I sure as hell don’t want to lead anyone to my blog which leads to all my friends blogs. Again, if you figure out who I am, please keep it to yourself. And that isn’t a challenge.
Again, I’ve loved this cast a lot for a very long time. I hate seeing them get hate. You’re completely entitled to your opinion, but you do not have the right to send legitimate hate to people.
Please take everything with a grain of salt and feel free to keep sending messages if you need to get anything off your chest!
2 DAYS AGO
303 NOTES
#AND THAT'S THE END OF THAT FROM ME
Could you please link the video? You said you fixed it but I still get a "Page Doesn't Exist."
Anonymous
It may not have changed on all the posts. Sorry!!
Here’s the link~
You say we shouldn't be angry, but apologize to creation con. But please tell me which questions we should apologize for. I've heard most questions about Destiel and they are NOT offensive; meanwhile many non-shipping questions are offensive. My point is, why apologize for their mischaracterization of what shipping questions are about? I'd really like an example of when a destiel question was rude enough to require a ban across all panels. I dont think it exists. I think Jensen simply complained
Anonymous
There’s no proof that Jensen complained. And apparently there’s not a ban?
I just think it’d be nice for Creation to hear from the people that we’re trying to be as respectful as possible. So apologizing probably wasn’t the right word to use in that situation. But if they ask you to change your question, you should! It’s up to them, they’re the ones in control. It’s better to team up with them to make things better than try and change cons on our own (in my opinion).
2 DAYS AGO
1 NOTES
#SORRY GUYS!
I feel like wank is being used a lot to shut down discussions about problematic shit, especially within fandom, and I'm kind of sick of it? Even if you weren't bothered by jensen saying things about "ruining it for everybody" i was so upset and uncomfortable yesterday about that and blatant refusal to discuss characterization. I don't think Jensen is blatantly homophobic, but there have been videos of him saying heterosexist things and after this i don't think i can like him anymore.
Anonymous
It is 110% up to you whether you like him or not, just please remember that he didn’t get to even hear my question. He didn’t refuse to answer it, it just wasn’t asked (by request of Clif to calm the crowd down)
I’m very sorry if he’s offended you, he is genuinely a really fantastic person.
2 DAYS AGO
6 NOTES
#THEMYSTERYGIRLFROMNJCON
#NJWANK
#JENSEN ACKLES
#WANK FOR TS
Even people from outside the SPN fandom is now accusing Jensen for being homophobic and an ungrateful bastard, even dragging Jared down and blaming him for stepping in and do something. "destieliscanon" on Tumblr is now organizing people to tweet all the cast and crew demanding an apology from Jensen to the LGBT group. I hope you enjoy your achievement, all this wank and stupidity, we could have had a wonderful Con, thanks to you now it's all gone to crap.
Anonymous
Do you really think that was my end goal?
“Man, I love cons. I really love Jensen….. I should get people really angry at him so maybe he’ll never want to do a con ever again!”
I’m still very sorry that this is how things are turning out, but I can only do so much with something that should be a non-issue.
PSA: IT’S NOT OUR PLACE TO DECIDE WHETHER JENSEN IS HOMOPHOBIC OR NOT. HE DIDN’T DO ANYTHING TO THE LGBT COMMUNITY.
2 DAYS AGO
10 NOTES
#THEMYSTERYGIRLFROMNJCON
#YOU GUYS ARE ACTING LIKE HE'S COMMITTED A HATE CRIME TOWARDS ME
#HE DIDN'T
#NJWANK
#WANK FOR TS
#SORRY I'M ON TWO HOURS OF SLEEP AND I LOVE JENSEN
Hello. I just wanted to thank for your clarification and that you're trying to contain this whole mess and sudden Jensen-hate. I really don't know where all this ugliness comes from. Also I have no idea why people assume his homophobic or something just because he is not comfortable with discussing it in front of crowd of strangers...
balthuza-the-great
I’m going to publish this because this is exactly what I’m trying to get across.
I don’t think Jensen is homophobic. I never have. Even if he is, it’s not our place to hate him for that. We all have issues and this is like trying to free the women who wear the hijab, it’s not our place.
YES, I’d be disappointed if he were homophobic. But it’s not up to me to do something about it.
And I just want to say again, he didn’t deny the question. He didn’t even know what the question was.
2 DAYS AGO
17 NOTES
#BALTHUZA-THE-GREAT
#JENSEN ACKLES
#NJWANK
#WANK FOR TS
I just don't think you should have brought your ships into this.
Anonymous
I didn’t and wasn’t going to mention anything about ships.
I don’t have any shipping agenda. I’m going to ship what I want to ship no matter what the actors say.
2 DAYS AGO
4 NOTES
#THEMYSTERYGIRLFROMNJCON
#NJWANK
#WANK FOR TS
#YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW MANY THINGS I SHIP
#I DON'T HAVE A SHIPPING AGENDA
WE. DID. NOT. BOO. YOU. FOR. STATING. YOU. BEING. BISEXUAL. IT. IS. BECAUSE. JENSEN. HAS. STATED. MANY. TIMES. BEFORE. THAT. DEAN. IS. STRAIGHT. AND. HE. HAS. GIVEN. ALL. HIS. THOUGHTS. ALREADY. DO. YOUR. HOMEWORK. BEFORE. YOU. START. PLAYING. THE. VICTIM'S. CARD. You sicken me.
Anonymous
If I appear to be playing the victim’s card, I’m so sorry. I haven’t seen anything from cons where someone has asked Jensen a question like this.
If you have any links to videos or transcripts from recently please send them my way!
2 DAYS AGO
8 NOTES
#THEMYSTERYGIRLFROMNJCON
#NJWANK
#WANK FOR TS
#NO NEED TO GET SICK M'DEAR
Trying to lighten the mood a little, can we call this incident "The NJCONtroversy"?
cyndermizuki
hahahaha that’s very clever!
web.archive.org/web/20130509041005/http://themy...
Тот самый вопрос.
читать дальшеcassammydean.tumblr.com/post/85797668931/direct...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKU4s_iWpjI
читать дальше
stop the hatin, yo
Last Post
If you aren’t aware, Clif made a post on his facebook about seeing this.
If him agreeing with this post isn’t conformation enough for you to know that this is me, you’ll just have to live in your doubt. I’ve decided not to let any of my friends (very good friends) get pulled into this just because you don’t want to believe that the girl was me.
First of all, he’s not upset. Clearly, I’m not upset. So if we could all please stop sending hate and threats, I’m sure at least one of us would be happy.
I’ve gotten a lot of multiple questions that are very valid so let me just answer a few:
I didn’t ask Jared about this because there has been no recent subtext to Sam’s sexuality. There’s never really been any situations like that for Sam (and if there were, like with the male crossroads!demons) he didn’t bat an eye to them unlike Dean who has usually made sure to state ‘he doesn’t swing that way’ until more recently.
I started with saying ‘I admire Dean becoming more comfortable with himself’ which is in every way. How long has it been since Dean hasn’t fallen asleep fully dressed? When in past seasons has he just up and cooked some burgers? With Lisa. And as much as he was trying, he never looked completely comfortable (most likely due to the fact that anyone could get to them, unlike the MoL bunker which is quite safe)
I stated I was bisexual, not to say ‘lololol only gay people can tell who gay ppl r’ but to emphasize that I’ve been through a similar journey of self discovery and it looked kind of like what Dean might be going through (complete denial to eh, why do I need to say I don’t like women?)
I never ever went into this wanting Jensen to “confirm” that “Dean is bisexual”. As I’ve said, a friend drafted this question and I’ve been rewording it a little and my end goal was to hear Jensen talk in depth about Dean. I love when actors are so connected to their characters after spending so many years on them and Jensen in particular is very passionate about Dean. As a controversial subject, I thought he might want the opportunity to give us his two cents on the matter in a respectful way in a smaller setting (njcon is the smallest con I’ve attended). I wasn’t fishing for a fight from anyone. I wasn’t looking to “CONFIRM THE DESTIEL”. I didn’t have any sort of shipping agenda. I’ll ship what I want to ship, no matter what. I didn’t know that the question from Misha’s panel would create such an uproar at Jared and Jensen’s panel the next day.
I hadn’t (and still haven’t) heard anything about the banning of sexuality/shipping questions. I personally would like to not have the subject of sexuality as taboo of a subject as it is, especially in a setting where a lot of the audience is LBTQ or a supporter. As I was asking a question about the character I didn’t deem it inappropriate. A lot of people have stated that it was very inappropriate, and I’m sorry if I offended you. I would never ever ask a question about sexuality in a setting I thought would make the actors extremely uncomfortable. No offense to anyone, but Jensen is in his 30’s. He’s been around for a while and while I understand now how stating my own sexuality may have made people uncomfortable, I was asking about Dean’s development relating to sexuality. I want to treat Jensen like an adult. I feel like a lot of this “Family” treats him very carefully. Just compare a panel with Misha as opposed to Jensen. I know Misha really does put himself more out there, but I still believe we should treat the actors as what they are, grown men who have the full right to deny a question if they so desire (a right I feel has been taken away from Misha because he will answer even the most degrading questions). Jensen has the full right to deny any question he doesn’t want to answer. Something he’s done in the past. So it wasn’t your right as a crowd (and even online) to put the blame on me and cut me off. Clif had to step in after the crowd got loud. We really don’t know what Jensen would have said, and we never will.
Yes, I do have another tumblr. I’ve had it for a while now.
No, I will not give any of you the url. I know that there’s a lot of you that want to follow for good reasons, but I didn’t ask this for attention and I sure as hell don’t want to lead anyone to my blog which leads to all my friends blogs. Again, if you figure out who I am, please keep it to yourself. And that isn’t a challenge.
Again, I’ve loved this cast a lot for a very long time. I hate seeing them get hate. You’re completely entitled to your opinion, but you do not have the right to send legitimate hate to people.
Please take everything with a grain of salt and feel free to keep sending messages if you need to get anything off your chest!
2 DAYS AGO
303 NOTES
#AND THAT'S THE END OF THAT FROM ME
Could you please link the video? You said you fixed it but I still get a "Page Doesn't Exist."
Anonymous
It may not have changed on all the posts. Sorry!!
Here’s the link~
You say we shouldn't be angry, but apologize to creation con. But please tell me which questions we should apologize for. I've heard most questions about Destiel and they are NOT offensive; meanwhile many non-shipping questions are offensive. My point is, why apologize for their mischaracterization of what shipping questions are about? I'd really like an example of when a destiel question was rude enough to require a ban across all panels. I dont think it exists. I think Jensen simply complained
Anonymous
There’s no proof that Jensen complained. And apparently there’s not a ban?
I just think it’d be nice for Creation to hear from the people that we’re trying to be as respectful as possible. So apologizing probably wasn’t the right word to use in that situation. But if they ask you to change your question, you should! It’s up to them, they’re the ones in control. It’s better to team up with them to make things better than try and change cons on our own (in my opinion).
2 DAYS AGO
1 NOTES
#SORRY GUYS!
I feel like wank is being used a lot to shut down discussions about problematic shit, especially within fandom, and I'm kind of sick of it? Even if you weren't bothered by jensen saying things about "ruining it for everybody" i was so upset and uncomfortable yesterday about that and blatant refusal to discuss characterization. I don't think Jensen is blatantly homophobic, but there have been videos of him saying heterosexist things and after this i don't think i can like him anymore.
Anonymous
It is 110% up to you whether you like him or not, just please remember that he didn’t get to even hear my question. He didn’t refuse to answer it, it just wasn’t asked (by request of Clif to calm the crowd down)
I’m very sorry if he’s offended you, he is genuinely a really fantastic person.
2 DAYS AGO
6 NOTES
#THEMYSTERYGIRLFROMNJCON
#NJWANK
#JENSEN ACKLES
#WANK FOR TS
Even people from outside the SPN fandom is now accusing Jensen for being homophobic and an ungrateful bastard, even dragging Jared down and blaming him for stepping in and do something. "destieliscanon" on Tumblr is now organizing people to tweet all the cast and crew demanding an apology from Jensen to the LGBT group. I hope you enjoy your achievement, all this wank and stupidity, we could have had a wonderful Con, thanks to you now it's all gone to crap.
Anonymous
Do you really think that was my end goal?
“Man, I love cons. I really love Jensen….. I should get people really angry at him so maybe he’ll never want to do a con ever again!”
I’m still very sorry that this is how things are turning out, but I can only do so much with something that should be a non-issue.
PSA: IT’S NOT OUR PLACE TO DECIDE WHETHER JENSEN IS HOMOPHOBIC OR NOT. HE DIDN’T DO ANYTHING TO THE LGBT COMMUNITY.
2 DAYS AGO
10 NOTES
#THEMYSTERYGIRLFROMNJCON
#YOU GUYS ARE ACTING LIKE HE'S COMMITTED A HATE CRIME TOWARDS ME
#HE DIDN'T
#NJWANK
#WANK FOR TS
#SORRY I'M ON TWO HOURS OF SLEEP AND I LOVE JENSEN
Hello. I just wanted to thank for your clarification and that you're trying to contain this whole mess and sudden Jensen-hate. I really don't know where all this ugliness comes from. Also I have no idea why people assume his homophobic or something just because he is not comfortable with discussing it in front of crowd of strangers...
balthuza-the-great
I’m going to publish this because this is exactly what I’m trying to get across.
I don’t think Jensen is homophobic. I never have. Even if he is, it’s not our place to hate him for that. We all have issues and this is like trying to free the women who wear the hijab, it’s not our place.
YES, I’d be disappointed if he were homophobic. But it’s not up to me to do something about it.
And I just want to say again, he didn’t deny the question. He didn’t even know what the question was.
2 DAYS AGO
17 NOTES
#BALTHUZA-THE-GREAT
#JENSEN ACKLES
#NJWANK
#WANK FOR TS
I just don't think you should have brought your ships into this.
Anonymous
I didn’t and wasn’t going to mention anything about ships.
I don’t have any shipping agenda. I’m going to ship what I want to ship no matter what the actors say.
2 DAYS AGO
4 NOTES
#THEMYSTERYGIRLFROMNJCON
#NJWANK
#WANK FOR TS
#YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW MANY THINGS I SHIP
#I DON'T HAVE A SHIPPING AGENDA
WE. DID. NOT. BOO. YOU. FOR. STATING. YOU. BEING. BISEXUAL. IT. IS. BECAUSE. JENSEN. HAS. STATED. MANY. TIMES. BEFORE. THAT. DEAN. IS. STRAIGHT. AND. HE. HAS. GIVEN. ALL. HIS. THOUGHTS. ALREADY. DO. YOUR. HOMEWORK. BEFORE. YOU. START. PLAYING. THE. VICTIM'S. CARD. You sicken me.
Anonymous
If I appear to be playing the victim’s card, I’m so sorry. I haven’t seen anything from cons where someone has asked Jensen a question like this.
If you have any links to videos or transcripts from recently please send them my way!
2 DAYS AGO
8 NOTES
#THEMYSTERYGIRLFROMNJCON
#NJWANK
#WANK FOR TS
#NO NEED TO GET SICK M'DEAR
Trying to lighten the mood a little, can we call this incident "The NJCONtroversy"?
cyndermizuki
hahahaha that’s very clever!
web.archive.org/web/20130509041005/http://themy...
Тот самый вопрос.
читать дальшеcassammydean.tumblr.com/post/85797668931/direct...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKU4s_iWpjI
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